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Overview


  • In most cases, your vet will charge more for sub-q supplies and prescription foods than other sources. If you can save money on the basics, you will have money available to pay your vet for regular check ups.

  • The cheapest place for fluids is usually a local pharmacy, but you have to know where to go and what exactly to ask for.

  • Alternatively, there are good, reliable and cost effective online suppliers, both for fluid supplies and food.


Discount Cards                                                                                                 Back to Page Index


 

Some members of Tanya's CKD Support Group have printed out the free Pet Medication Card and successfully used it to obtain discounts at some pharmacies. In September 2012, one person was able to obtain a case of 12 bags of fluid from her local Wal-Mart for US$16 using this card, which of course was free, whereas Walgreen's own discount card mentioned below is not free and does not give you such a large discount on the fluids. Group members have not received any spam as a result of using the card, though many choose to use an inaccurate e-mail address to be on the safe side. See below for tips on obtaining fluids from local pharmacies.

 

One member of the support group has successfully used the Pet Drug Card to obtain discounts at Wal-Mart.

 

Your Pharmacy Card has also been used successfully.

 

Pet Med Saver Card and the RX Free Card also offer discounts, but I don't know anybody who has used them as yet.

 

If you have an AAA Travel Card, I understand that you may be able to use this to obtain discounts at some pharmacies.

 


Fluids                                                                                                                   Back to Page Index


 

See Subcutaneous Fluids Tips for more information on the various types of fluid.

A prescription is required for fluids in every state. If your vet refuses to write a prescription, you may be able to insist that s/he does so, depending upon which state you live in - Scooter's Page has more information on this.

 

Even if you do not live in a state where the vet must give you a prescription if you ask for one, the American Veterinary Medical Association states "As a veterinarian, when you determine that a medication is needed for a patient, you can discuss with your client the benefits of having the drug dispensed directly from your clinic. If your client still wants the prescription filled elsewhere, you should comply with their wish and provide a written prescription."

 

Local Pharmacies


By far the cheapest source for fluids is to find a local pharmacy in your area offering low prices. This has two advantages. Firstly, it saves on shipping costs, which are often expensive since fluids are heavy. Secondly, your vet may be more comfortable about you using a local pharmacy and therefore more inclined to give you the prescription you need.

 

Most pharmacies do not stock fluids but can order them for you quite quickly. Walgreen's, Costco, Target and CVS can all often obtain fluids for you cheaply, usually for under US$30 a case (a case usually refers to twelve bags of 1000 ml fluid). The Costco record is US$7 for a case (and that was in NYC). Other suppliers may be even cheaper, though you may need to buy a discount card from the pharmacy or use one of the discount cards discussed above. The record for a purchase with a discount card (a locally issued card in this case) was US$5.99 for a case at a Target branch in Texas.

 

It can help if you have NDC (National Drug Code) numbers, which enable pharmacists to search their stock and supplier database quickly. NDCs consist of 11 numbers in total: the manufacturer code (five numbers), followed by the drug code (four numbers), followed by the size code (two numbers). If a number is missing, you usually just add an extra 0 at the beginning of the section with the missing number. These are the NDC codes for the most popular fluids:

  • Lactated Ringers Solution, DEHP Bags, Hospira: 0409-7953-09 (frequently on backorder, summer 2013)

  • Lactated Ringers Solution, DEHP-Free Bags, Hospira: 0409-7953-48 (frequently on backorder, summer 2013)

  • Lactated Ringers Solution, DEHP-Free Bags, Braun: 0264-7750-00

  • Lactated Ringers Solution, DEHP-Free Bags, Baxter: 0338-6307-04

  • Normosol-R, DEHP Bags, Hospira: 0409-7967-09

  • Normosol-R 7.4pH, DEHP Bags, Hospira: 0409-7670-09

  • 0.9% Sodium Chloride Solution, DEHP Bags, Hospira: 0409-7983-09

Ask for the price before you order so you don't get any nasty shocks. It is usually far more cost effective to buy a case (12 bags of 1000ml fluid, though sometimes 14).

 

Walgreen's


Many members of Tanya's CKD Support Group use Walgreen's. I used to hear quite often from people who said they had not been successful buying fluids from Walgreen's, but in every case they did not follow the steps below. If you follow these steps exactly, you may still need to be persistent (very few Walgreen's employees seem to know what fluids are), but you should be successful. However, recently (summer 2013), Hospira fluids seem to be on backorder and many pharmacies are struggling to obtain them. If you are prepared to use another brand, you are more likely to be successful, although Braun is apparently also having supply problems with its DEHP-free fluids and is rationing them as a result.

 

Please also see above about online savings cards. In some cases, these may give you an even lower price for your fluids. I have heard of people obtaining a case of fluids for as little as US$16 with one of these cards, plus they save you the cost of purchasing Walgreen's own discount card in step 6 below.

 

This is how to obtain your fluids from Walgreen's at a good price:

  1. Visit Walgreen's. You have to use this link - just going to the Walgreens website and searching will not work.

  1. Type lactated into the box (you will need to allow cookies), then click on the first item that will pop up over to the right (Lactated Rin Inj 1000ml). You will see prices for 2000, 12000, 14000 and 36000. The 12000 means 12 bags of 1000ml each, which as at September 2012 cost US$22.96 in total, or US$1.91 per bag. The 14000 option (14 bags of 1000ml) costs US$26.12, or US$1.86 per bag.

  1. If you want Normosol, type normosol into the box instead of lactated. The price as at September 2012 was US$43.61 for 12 bags of 1000ml each.

  1. Print the page displaying the prices and take it to your local Walgreen's, along with your cat's prescription. Try to speak to a pharmacist rather than a clerk if possible.

  1. The pharmacist will probably also need the NDC (National Drug Code) for your fluids. For the Hospira brand of 1000ml Lactated Ringers Solution, the NDC is 00409-7953-09. Walgreens can also obtain Braun DEHP-free fluids for the same price, the NDC is 00264-7750-00. Codes for others are above.

  1. Try to use a discount card - I would try one of those I discuss above in the first instance. Alternatively, apply for your cat to join the Walgreen's discount scheme, the Prescription Savings Club. This costs US$35 a year for family membership, which includes cats, or US$20 a year for an individual (i.e. your cat).

  1. Ask the pharmacist to order the fluids for you at or near the cheap price on the page you have printed (some pharmacies will actually sell them for less, especially if you have a discount card).

  1. Wait for the fluids to arrive (it should only take a day or so) and go and collect them.

It is particularly important to take the print-out with you to prove Walgreen's can obtain these supplies - many Walgreen's employees do not seem to be aware that it is possible. It is also essential to explain that you wish to order the fluids - most branches do not hold them in stock, but can order them quickly.

 

Online Pharmacies


If you don't live near a pharmacy which can order fluids for you cheaply, you will probably want to use an online pharmacy. A case of 12 bags of 1000ml sub-Q fluid costs around US$50, including shipping. A prescription is required.

 

The US Food & Drug Administration discusses precautions you should take when using online pharmacies. I only link to sites which I or members of Tanya's CKD Support Group have used personally.

 

Many members of the support group use Thriving Pets because they can buy many of their CKD supplies there (including B vitamins, phosphorus binders and treatments for excess stomach acid and nausea) in addition to sub-Q supplies. If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$55 (after the discount).

 

Lactated Ringers Solution (LRS)


 

KV Vet Supply

Sells 1000ml bags of Lactated Ringers for US$4.99 each, or US$3.99 each if you buy six or more, with free shipping over US$50 (so basically, you can buy 13 bags for US$51.87 all in).

 

Med Plus USA

Sells 12 x 1000 ringers for US$42.33 without prescription, with shipping at cost. They also sell 500ml bags.

 

Valley Vet

Sells a case of 12 x 1000ml bags for US$53.88 with free shipping. I have used Valley Vet myself for other items and have always received fast and efficient service.

 

UPCO

Sells 1 x 1000ml bag for US$4.95, but 14 x 1000ml bags cost $55.50 (equivalent to US$47.40 for 12). Handling charge is US$4-5.50 but is free with orders over US$85. The price on the website reflects the price of buying one bag of fluids only; if you enter 14, you should find the price is reduced automatically.

 

Brico Medical Supplies

Sell 12 bags of 1000ml fluid for US$29 plus shipping at cost. They also sell 24 500ml bags of lactated ringers for $49 plus shipping at cost.

 

Drs Foster & Smith

Sell Lactated Ringers for $4.99 per 1000ml bag, with free ground shipping US$49 and over, and no minimum order.

 

Thriving Pets

Sell 12 bags of fluid for US$53.40. If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$60 (after the discount).

 

Normosol-R/PlasmaLyte


Normosol-R comes in two pH types, 6.6 (very similar pH to lactated ringers solution) or 7.4. Your prescription should show which pH you need. PlasmaLyte is essentially the same as the Normosol-R with a pH of 7.4. You can read more about these fluid types here.

 

Vet America

Sells Normosol-R with a pH of 7.4. A case of 12 bags costs US$35.99, with ground shipping costing US$5.95. They may charge more for heavy items.

 

Thriving Pets

Sell 12 bags of Normosol-R for US$65.95. They sell both pH types (6.6 or 7.4). If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$60 (after the discount).

 

Drs Foster & Smith

Sell Normosol for US$5.99 a bag if you buy four, with free shipping. They do not say which pH they sell.

 

Valley Vet

sells PlasmaLyte at US$6.49 a bag or US$77.88 for twelve, with free shipping.

 


Needles                                                                                                                Back to Page Index


 

A prescription is required for needles in CT, MA, NJ, NY and RI. Most people use Terumo needles - you can read here why they are so popular.

 

Med-Vet International

Sells a box of 100 needles for US$5.95. Shipping is US$10 for orders under US$100.

 

Thriving Pets

Sells Terumo needles for US$6.45 per 100, plus shipping. If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$60 (after the discount).

 

Brico Medical Supplies

Charges US$6.90 per 100 needles, plus shipping.

 

Amazon

Sells a variety of Terumo needles at differing prices, which do not always need a prescription. Since Amazon is not a specialist seller, make sure you're purchasing the correct item.

 


Winged Infusion Sets (Butterfly Needles)                                                    Back to Page Index


 

These are used when giving sub-Qs with a syringe rather than a giving set (see How to Give Subcutaneous Fluids: Syringe Method).

 

Thriving Pets

Sells these for US$23.95 for 50 Terumos in size 19 or 21, or US$24.95 for size 23. If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$55 (after the discount).

 

Brico Medical Supplies

Sell these at US$24.50 for 50 Terumos, in sizes from 18 to 21 gauge.

 


Fluid Administration Sets (Giving Sets)                                                      Back to Page Index


 

These are used to connect the bag of fluid to the needle. If you are careful not to contaminate them, you can re-use them 2-3 times.

 

Med-Vet International

Sells these for US$1.10 each. Shipping is US$10 for orders under US$100.

 

Brico Medical Supplies

Sell giving sets for US$2.50 each plus shipping.

 

KV Vet Supply

Sells giving sets for US$2.85.

 

Thriving Pets

Sells 72 inch long DEHP-free sets for US$2.50 each or US$27 for 12. If you enter the word "tanya" (without the ") in the promotional code box, you will receive a 10% discount on orders over US$55. Shipping is free for orders over US$60 (after the discount).

 


Syringes                                                                                                               Back to Page Index


 

Lambert Vet Supply

Sells Baxter syringes (without needles) in a number of different sizes.

 

Pet Supplies 4 Less

also sells Baxter syringes.

 

Please see the Persuading Your Cat to Eat page for information on obtaining smaller syringes for assist feeding purposes.

 


Prescription Diets                                                                                               Back to Page Index


 

Pet Food Direct

Sells Hi-Tor Neo, a low protein, low phosphorus food which does not require a prescription. Shipping can be expensive, but there are regular 20% off sales which can help offset the cost.

 

Amazon

Sells Hi-Tor Neo without prescription.

 

Southern Agriculture

Sells prescription diets from Purina, Royal Canin IVD, Waltham Royal Canin, Eukanuba and Hill's. They will also sell individual tins, which can be helpful if you want to try different foods (though sometimes your vet can get a variety of prescription foods for you to try too).

 

RX Petfood

Sells prescription diets from Purina, Royal Canin IVD, Waltham Royal Canin, Eukanuba and Hill's. They need a prescription or contact details for your vet. I do not know of anybody who has used them as yet.

 

Mr Chewy

Sells prescription diets and a variety of other brands.

 

Alternatively, you could ask about buying in bulk from your vet. Our cat, Harpsie, needed a prescription food which cost US$2 per 5.5 oz can. However, when we bought a case, the price fell to US$1.40 a can.

 


Medications and Other Supplies                                                                  Back to Page Index


 

Wal-Mart and Target both sell a number of generic medications, such as lactulose or benazepril, for US$4 for a month's supply.

 

Please also see the following pages:

  • Medicating Your Cat - for items to help make pilling less stressful for you both, such as Pill Pockets and gelcaps.

 

 

 

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This page last updated: 02 December 2013

Links on this page last checked: 27 April 2012

 

The group is hosted on yahoo!groups, part of yahoo. It has its own address separate from Tanya's website. You can either click here or copy and paste this link into your browser:

 

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/

 

If you are already familiar with yahoo!groups, just click on the link and apply to join (and don't forget to complete the short questionnaire you'll be sent), but if you'd like to know more about how the group works, read on.

 

I own and run the group, but I am ably assisted by two moderators, Anne V and Anne A. They help with membership queries, approve messages, and do lots of boring admin stuff behind the scenes to help the group run smoothly for the members.

 

The group has various sections, including a photos section and a realtime chat function but for most people the most important part of the group is its message section. Basically, a member who wants support, vet recommendations, or to hear how others are coping with a particular problem, sends a message to the rest of the group. Other members then respond if they can. All messages sent to the group are stored in a message archive which members can search if they wish.

 

The group is private, i.e. messages sent to it are only visible to members, so people are not posting to the internet at large. The names of group members are also private, so nobody will know you are a member unless you choose to send messages to the group.

 


Joining the Group                                                                                                                        Back to Page Index


 

There are two ways to join the group, via the group's website or via e-mail:

 

How to Join the Group via E-mail


Just send an e-mail to

tanyas-ckd-support-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

You should then receive an e-mail in response asking you to confirm that you definitely want to join the group. Just click Reply and send.

 

If you join the group via e-mail, you will be able to send and receive e-mails to the group, but you will not be able to access the group website and read the message archives or look at the photos. If you wish to do that, you will need to set up a yahoo! ID by visiting the group website.

 

How to Join the Group via the Web


You can visit the group's homepage and follow the instructions. If you do this, yahoo!groups will help you set up your yahoo! ID, which gives you access to the group message archive etc. A yahoo! ID is not the same thing as an e-mail address.

 

Here are the steps to follow. Don't worry, this all sounds far worse than it is! You should find that in practice it all works more smoothly than it sounds when you're trying to explain it in writing:

 

Existing yahoo! ID

  1. Go to the group website: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/

  2. Click on the Join this Group button and you'll be taken to a Sign In to Yahoo! page.

  3. Sign in and link Tanya's Support Group to your existing account.

  4. Choose the e-mail address you wish to use for the group (see below).

  5. There is a little box for you to tell me why you would like to join the group. You don't need to be inventive or fancy, it's not a competition, it's just an extra check by yahoo!groups to keep spammers out.

  6. Choose your message delivery options (see below).

  7. Scroll down and click on the blue Join button at the bottom right of the page.

New yahoo! ID

  1. Go to the group website: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/

  2. Click on the Join this Group button and you'll be taken to a Sign In to Yahoo! page.

  3. Scroll down a little and click on the Create New Account button.

  4. On the next page you can create your new account. Some people are somewhat inventive in their responses, but in such cases it is important to remember what responses have been given in case the information is needed later to access the account. I can't see any of this stuff, it's entirely private between you and yahoo!groups, so I cannot help in case of later queries. 

  5. Once the account is successfully set up, you'll be taken to a Congratulations! page.

  6. Before you click on the Continue button on the Congratulations! page, untick the box that makes yahoo! your homepage (unless that is what you want).

  7. Also click on the Edit Marketing Preferences link below the Continue button. This takes you to another page where they helpfully opt you in to everything, so go through and set it as you wish.

  8. Then on the same separate page click on Account Info at the top of the page. You will be asked for your password again and taken to the Account Info page. Click on Profile and opt out of the various choices as you wish. The key thing is, you do have choices here, you can make things as public or private as you wish.

  9. Now click on the Continue button on the original page. You will be taken back to the group page to choose your membership settings.

  10. Choose the e-mail address you wish to use for the group (see below).

  11. There is a little box for you to tell me why you would like to join the group. You don't need to be inventive or fancy, it's not a competition, it's just an extra check by yahoo!groups to keep spammers out.

  12. Choose your message delivery options (see below).

  13. Scroll down and click on the blue Join button at the bottom right of the page.


Membership Settings                                                                                          Back to Page Index


 

There are various choices you need to make regarding your membership of the group. The most important are which e-mail address to use, and which way you read messages sent to the group by group members.

 

Membership Settings: Your E-mail Address


You need to decide which e-mail address you wish to use for the group. If you have created a yahoo! ID, yahoo!groups will normally have also set up a free yahoo! e-mail account for you based on your new yahoo ID. You can use this e-mail address to access the group if you wish, but it's not essential, you can use any e-mail address you wish. Since yahoo! is now scanning messages for advertising purposes (similar to gmail), I would recommend not using yahoo! e-mail if possible (though it would probably be better than using your work address for private stuff).

 

If you do not want to use your free yahoo! e-mail address, click on Add e-mail address to add a different one. Be aware, if you don't add a new address here, yahoo! will use the yahoo! e-mail address as a default address. So if you don't receive the membership questionnaire, it may well be because it's gone to your new yahoo! e-mail address.

 

If you ever wish to change the e-mail address you are using for the group, you can do that here:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/join

 

Membership Settings: Message Delivery


This sets up how you will access messages that are sent to the group.

 

This is a pretty active group. If you're looking after your CKD cat, you want support but you probably don't want a full inbox all the time. To help you manage this issue, you have three options for messages, and you can switch between them all as you wish:

  1. Individual E-mails

  2. Daily Digest

  3. Web Only (No e-mail)

Individual E-mails


This is the default setting. If you apply to join the group via e-mail, you will end up with this setting. If you apply to join the group via the group's webpage, if you don't choose one of the other settings, this is the one you will end up with.

 

This setting means that as soon as somebody sends a message to the group, it is sent directly to your inbox. It's a good choice if you might want to know immediately if somebody has responded to you, or if you would like to store some of the group messages for your reference. It's also good for being able to quickly delete messages which don't interest you.

 

The downside is that this is a busy group, averaging 50-100 group messages each day, so your inbox can quickly get full. One solution is to create a folder to use for group messages. All messages sent to the group have a tag in the subject line [tanya-crf] so you can filter all messages from the group to a new folder using this tag if you wish.

 

With both individual e-mail and message digest options, you can also choose the format of messages sent to you (Display Format), either Fully Featured (html, pretty colours etc.) or Traditional (plain text).

 

Message Digest


This means that you receive e-mails from the group, but yahoo!groups waits until there are about 25 messages available and sends them to you all in one go. With this option, you would therefore only receive 2-4 e-mails a day from the group, but it means you have to wait for responses (though you can still check on the group website for messages) and it can be more difficult to find what you are looking for within each digest.

 

With both individual e-mail and message digest options, you can also choose the format of messages sent to you (Display Format), either Fully Featured (html, pretty colours etc.) or Traditional (plain text).

 

Web Only (No Mail)


This means that you receive no messages at all from the group. This is a wise choice if you are using a work e-mail address, or if you cannot cope with the group's message volume. With this system you simply go to the group's website and read the messages that interest you there. Even if this is not your usual choice, it can be helpful to use this option if you are going on holiday.

 

So make your choices, then click the Join button at the bottom right of the page.

 


Important: Membership Questionnaire                                                           Back to Page Index


OK, so you've successfully applied to join the group. However, there is one more thing you need to do in order to join. I want to protect the group members from spammers, so whichever way you apply to join the group, you will receive a short questionnaire asking:

  1. Your first name

  2. The country where you live

  3. Your CKD cat's name and age

You need to respond to this before your membership will be approved.

 

Please don't worry about saying "the right thing." This is not a test to see if you are "good enough" for the group, everybody is welcome here, whoever they are or wherever they come from, as long as they want to help their cat. This questionnaire is basically just to reassure us that you are a real person applying to join rather than somebody trying to sell stuff and spam the group, but it also enables us to tailor our responses to your group messages e.g. if we moderators know where you live, we will not suggest treatments not available there.

 

Please note, only the two Annes and I can see your responses to these questions. The group will not know anything about you unless you choose to introduce yourself.

 

Once you respond to the questionnaire, your membership application should be approved very quickly (most people are approved within two hours or less).

 

Occasionally the questionnaire goes missing. You think we haven't sent it, and we think you haven't responded! If we haven't heard from you five days after you apply to join, we will send you a reminder. Unfortunately, we can only use the address you've used to sign up for the group, so if you've accidentally used your new yahoo e-mail address without realising it (see above), you won't see either the questionnaire or our reminder. If you don't hear from us, please simply write to us at tanyas-ckd-support-owner@yahoogroups.com and let us know. Please respond to the three questions in your response and we will either approve you (if your membership is pending) or send you a personal invitation to join the group (if your membership application has disappeared into a black hole).

 


Messages                                                                                                                                          Back to Page Index


 

Message Options: Sending Messages


You don't have to post, you can just lurk if you prefer.

 

If you wish to change the name that appears on messages you send to the group, Yahoo! explains how you can do that.

 

Starting a Thread


  1. You can simply send an e-mail to ask your question by sending it to tanyas-ckd-support@yahoogroups.com.

  2. You can go to the group website, click on Post Message in the sidebar on the left, and then write your message there.

Replying to an Existing Message


Messages sent in response to another message on the group also go directly to the group, not to the individual to whom you are replying. Therefore if you wish to respond to a message somebody else has sent, you can simply click reply on your e-mail programme. If you reply via the group website, you can click on the message in the group archives, then click reply which is top left above the message.

 

If you're changing the subject, or replying to a Digest (which have the subject line of Digest No. xxx), please change the subject line appropriately to something more meaningful. And please remove everything except that to which you are replying.

 

If you wish to reply privately to somebody, you will need to press reply, then delete the group e-mail address and paste their personal e-mail address into the To: line if you are using e-mail. If you are replying via the group website, you will see a little envelope over on the right under the person's name. If you click on that, your message will go to that person.

 

Message Content


You are welcome to discuss anything relating to care of your CKD cat. We do have a few guidelines we ask people to follow though:

  1. Please do not refer to vets or vet clinics by name for legal reasons. Just say "my vet" or "Dr J".

  2. Please do not ask for money or other donations.

  3. Since this is a very busy group, we ask that condolences are sent privately to the bereaved group member. Certain other messages should also be sent privately e.g. short "me too" messages, off topic posts etc.

  4. Please trim your posts.

Moderation of Messages


When you first join the group, your messages will be moderated for a short while. This means that they will not reach the group immediately, but will first be read and approved by one of the moderators. We do this to ensure that:

  1. you are not a spammer;

  2. you are keeping to other group guidelines (e.g. not naming your vet publicly);

  3. you are trimming your messages appropriately.

If you comply with the group guidelines sent to you when you join the group, you will be taken off moderation quickly. The main reason people stay on moderation is because they do not trim their posts. So please read up on this in the group guidelines. If you get stuck, just ask for help.

 


Leaving the Group                                                                                                Back to Page Index


 

Some people decide to leave the group. Their cat may have died, or they may find the message volume is too much, or they simply decide it's not the place for them. Leaving is fine, but if you're thinking of leaving simply because you cannot cope with message volume, please consider changing your message options first, such as by going no mail. This means your inbox will not be full, but you can still reach out for support quickly when you need it.

 

If you are leaving because your cat has died, please consider joining our sister group, Tanya's Feline Loss Support:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-feline-loss/

 


Conclusion                                                                                                            Back to Page Index


I do hope you've decided to join Tanya's CKD Support Group! It can give you support, it can give you hope. It can make you smile too - where else would people share your thrill at hearing that your constipated cat has pooped? (Believe me, when you've been dealing with CKD for a while, things like this are real triumphs which can absolutely make your day).

 

I personally read every message sent to the group. I don't respond to every post (my priority is running this website) but I do keep an eye on things and post occasionally if I can add to what has already been said.

 


Group Quick Links                                                                                               Back to Page Index


Some of these only work if you are already a member of the group.

 

Weblinks


Group homepage:                                                 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/

Managing your membership options:                  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/join

Messages archive                                                 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-ckd-support/messages

 

E-mail Addresses


Sending a message to the group via e-mail:        tanyas-ckd-support@yahoogroups.com

Group owner e-mail address:                                 tanyas-ckd-support-owner@yahoogroups.com

Joining the group via e-mail:                                   tanyas-ckd-support-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Leaving the group via e-mail:                                  tanyas-ckd-support-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com